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Phuket Poll: Opinion divided on Thai work permit

PHUKET: Opinion on whether or not to keep work permits is divided, with those calling for Thailand’s “little blue book” to be discontinued edging ahead, according to the results of a recent online poll by The Phuket News.

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Friday 5 August 2016, 12:49PM


It's a close call, but more people say the Thai work permit is not necessary. Graph: The Phuket News
It's a close call, but more people say the Thai work permit is not necessary. Graph: The Phuket News

The poll, which ran online for two weeks, asked: “Is the Thai work permit necessary?”

That question was prompted by the news last month that a work permit is not required in order to receive income from renting out a condo, an announcement that brought much relief to expat condo owners across the island.

However, the disparity of that decision (see story here) compared with the need for a work permit for any other income-creating activities by foreigners threw the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons in a country where work permits are required by any foreigner even doing free volunteer work.

For decades the concept of whether or not money is received has been irrelevant as the definition of work in Thailand remains “engaging in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits” (see Ministry of Labour website here).

In defence of the work permit, 39 per cent of those who took part in the poll voted, “Yes, the work permit is a valuable form of identification and should be upgraded to a photo ID card.”

A further 5% of respondents voted, “Yes, the work permit is a valuable form of identification and should be kept in the booklet form as is.”

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Interestingly, 6% of respondents in the poll supported the Thai work permit in its current format while noting that it performed no essential function on its own, voting, “No, the work permit not necessary but there is no harm in keeping it.”

To all this support, a neat 50% of all respondents in the poll voted, “No, the work permit is pointless and should be discontinued immediately.”

To see the poll results, click here.

To see the results of our previous poll, which asked, “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?” click here.

 

To suggest a poll, email execeditor@classactmedia.co.th with “Poll Suggestion” in the Subject line. 

 

 

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Kurt | 07 August 2016 - 15:07:00

@ Asterix, ...Silly Joe12. More and more he doesn't understand peoples comment, at least not respect it.
Just like to put down people. 
Sad for him, amusing for readers as Joe12 reads all my comments, and comment on them!! Sitting in his fish bowl.
So, he lies when he say not take any notice of my comments.

And the list of jobs reserved for thai is not that long.
It are jobs for none to low educated thais. That is ok.
Jobs most foreigners ( part time) not feel attracted to anyway.

The foreigners who get arrested, property touts, photographers, etc, are just holiday workers.
Hardly threaten the local labour market, as thai have not the education ( English) to be property tout or skilled photographer.
The foreign touts, photographers. tour guides are just having fun in part time holiday jobs. ( as in many other countries)
After a few months they leave anyway, after their extended holidays, having a great time, and spending their earning here anyway in thai economy.
Most of them actually are here legally.

In the context/framework of AEC, thai authorities should focus on important matters of integrating with other countries, rather than focus on a passing by property tout or photographer.
That is just peanuts. Small scale things.
Concentrate on big issues, like the increasing number young thai guys with guns and feel killing people is normal.


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Joe12 | 06 August 2016 - 20:05:38

Asterix...still don't understand the point of your comment. A lot of jobs are reserved for Thais only.  Sorry I don't take any notice of Kurt's comments because they are wrong anyway or way off the planet. 

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Kurt | 06 August 2016 - 12:20:19

@ Asterix,  Many live aboard boats( 4-5 day trips) to Similans have foreign dive instructors who during these trips work as dive master.

My comment is not racistic.
I leave it up to you, saying that Thais are not xenophobic.

I not recognise myself in that part of your reaction.
It is totally not about that.

And if scuba diving industry is hitted hard, as you express, than look, analyse, why.  
And improve. How about that?
Perhaps to many thai scuba dive companies?
Same as a street in Karon/Kata, were shops complain about not having enough customers.
But what do you expect with more than 10 massage shops in 1 street?
And, customers can not park their car there, as all parking space is occupied by nothing doing tuk tuks.
You get the picture?

If you talk about tourist business in general? Well, what do you expect on Phuket?

With respect.

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Asterix | 06 August 2016 - 10:56:10

@Joe12
Yes I am correct... It had been confirmed by TAT Registration Office many times through media and at professional meetings about tourism and safety by the sea.

DIVEMASTER: Only Thai Divemasters may be dive guides to guide divers, Thais and foreigners, during fun dives.
All foreign Instructors are forbidden by Thai law to lead divers's groups for fun dives which is a job exclusively reserved for Thais only.

Dive INSTRUCTOR: Thai and foreigners with a valid work-permit may teach dive courses from all dive associations such as CMAS, PADI, BSAC, NAUI, SSI and so on...

By the way, I love Kurt's racist comment about what he thinks about Thai dive centers and Thai people.
He is lucky that most of Thais are not xenophobic and do not complain to Thai authorities about his racist comment against Thai people especially when business is hard hit in tourism industry and many Thais or foreigners are fighting in survival mode.

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Kurt | 06 August 2016 - 10:02:36

Scuba Dive master is different from being a scuba dive instructor.
The 'steps' are: Rescue diver--> Dive master--> Dive instructor. ( see Padi dive training system)

Not many thai have the stamina to go through all this dive education/training, besides the fact that many thai believe that below the surface are bad spirits. 

So, here we have the thai situation: 
Unlicensed thai work illegally as dive master but are legal as they not need a working permit.
Licensed foreign dive masters and instructors are kept out.

Great thai thinking regarding this part of the thai tourist industry.

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Joe12 | 05 August 2016 - 19:38:59

Asterix...First you say, "jobs are reserved to Thais only...forbidden by Thai Labour Laws". Then you state "...are able to teach dive courses only" Which is it - you can or can't work? 

This is the Thai way of protecting jobs for Thai nationals. It assists in generating more employment for the local population. Try working in any other country without authority and see how far you get. Better still try immigrating.

So, what is the point of your comment? 

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Rich 44 | 05 August 2016 - 18:17:48

So....Technically;  If one helps the elderly lady who dropped her groceries one could get five years in jail or a fine of B2,000 to B100,000, or both? One is not even allowed to help another who is struggling to figure something out.
If this is so, I hope the work permit is abandoned. People should not be fined and/or jailed for helping others. 

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Kurt | 05 August 2016 - 16:56:17

Mhh, I have been doing life aboard with several foreign dive companies to the Similans, with foreign dive masters.
Very skill full persons.
Their dive equipment was up to date according international PADI regulations, something we can not always say about thai dive companies, as they not that often clean the their air compressors, so you inhale dirty air during diving.

Thai government is not checking on thai dive companies about dive regulation and providing clean air in dive tanks.
We all know that. They not care.
Checking on that brings not any money in.

So, 'we' tackle on non technical issues, and get money out of it, left or right way.
TIT.

But silly, thai are just downgrading their dive industry.

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Asterix | 05 August 2016 - 13:26:02

In Thailand, Divemaster jobs are reserved to Thais only and all foreign Instructors are forbidden by "Thai Labour Laws" to divemastering divers' groups and are able to teach dive courses only (Nature of work/Title/Occupation/Profession/Condition) on premise (Address of place of work) and the province (Permitted locality of work) written in their work-permits.

WRITTEN BLACK ON WHITE IN THE WORK PERMIT OD A DIVE INSTRUCTOR
Prohibited to work as : "Tour guide or conducting sightseeing tour includes to a job accompanying individuals or group visitors to visit different landscapes and places and providing information on the tourist attractions, culture as well as local traditions. This job include includes organizing sight-seeing programs providing vehicles or reserving seats on boats, trains, aircrafts, cars or other vehicles and providing accommodation or reserving hotel rooms and faciliting for tourists in any matters..."
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The penalty for foreigners caught working without a work permit as stipulated in Section 51 of the “Working of Alien Act BE 2551 (2008)” is five years in jail or a fine of B2,000 to B100,000, or both.
Then, they have to be deported to their home countries.

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