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Vacate order issued after wall collapse

BANGKOK:The tenants of 19 buildings near Pracha Niwet Market 1 in Chatuchak district were told to vacate after concrete awnings of one of the buildings collapsed on Wednesday (Sept 7). There were no reported injuries but the building suffered extensive damage.


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Friday 9 September 2016, 08:48AM

Residents in 117 apartments in this 34-year-old old building near the Pracha Niwet Market 1 in Chatuchak district were startled but unhurt when their front facade collapsed. Photo: Pattarapong Chatpattarasill
Residents in 117 apartments in this 34-year-old old building near the Pracha Niwet Market 1 in Chatuchak district were startled but unhurt when their front facade collapsed. Photo: Pattarapong Chatpattarasill

Chaiyanut Jetiyanuwat, Bangkok Market Office director, said yesterday (Sept 8) that the office has given notice to all tenants, saying they must vacate the old buildings near Pracha Niwet Market 1 as soon as possible.

There are a total of 117 rooms in the 19 buildings which were built in 1982 on a 10-rai plot of land. The Bangkok Market Office owns the buildings and had leased them out, he said.

On Wednesday, the awnings of one building collapsed, damaging eight motorcycles parked under the structure. No injuries were reported.

Before the collapse on Wednesday, Mr Chaiyanut said the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration hired a team of engineers from Mahidol University to assess the condition and strength of the buildings to determine if they should be repaired or torn down.

Most of the buildings appear to be in a rundown state.

The engineering team found that the buildings were not safe to live in as the structures were in disrepair, Mr Chaiyanut said.

Experts who carried out the assessment agreed the buildings should be demolished, he added.

As the BMA was seeking to hire a company to carry out the demolition work following the experts’ suggestion, it decided not to renew tenants’ leases in February last year. However, some of the tenants decided not to vacate.

Mr Chaiyanut said the office invited the remaining occupants to a meeting yesterday at the Gold Market near the buildings to discuss when they can move out.

Earlier, authorities had held talks with the tenants to inform them of the need to demolish the buildings but some of the tenants continued to insist they would stay, he added.

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Mr Chaiyanut said his office lodged police complaints against the tenants who had defied orders to vacate the buildings.

Police have taken up the investigation.

Speaking during an inspection of the collapsed building yesterday, Chaowarit Songnawarat, chief of Chatuchak district office, said an initial inspection found the concrete walls were partially damaged and the buildings were structurally weak.

Siriwat Chaichana, of the Engineering Institute of Thailand, who also took part in the inspection, said the collapse was caused by increased weight due to rainwater accumulating on the awnings. Mr Chaowarit urged tenants who have been affected by the building collapse to register with authorities to receive compensation.

Each tenant is eligible for B3,000.

A makeshift tent was set up near the buildings to provide assistance to those affected by the collapse, he said.

Officials at the Bangkok Market Office are working on the issuance of demolition documents following the BMA’s order, Mr Chaowarit added.

He said experts will be called to examine the leases

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Christy Sweet | 11 September 2016 - 13:37:52

Quote "if you are renting a house for 20,000thb a month for 30 years that is 10.8m, when you could purchase the same house for about 7mthb which would increase in value over 30 years. I know what i would rather do...and have." Arithmetic mistakes aside Swerv, you've leased  a house for 30 years and then sold the lease at a profit? Or you bought a house and held onto it for 30 years? How did you evade the land ownership issue? 

Another risk for the leased house is the owner's heirs are under no obligation to honor your lease- conversely, you could also find your right to leased land under an owned house evaporate.  

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Kurt | 11 September 2016 - 13:26:26

swerv: Point taken.
However, older properties not just earn you rentals, you will have increasing costs to face.
Like: replace matrasses, replace water heaters, replace aircon units, repair of roof and tap leaking. Painting in- and outside.
And you not rent out all the time to the same person, so you have to advertise, catch people to rent.
With non rental intervals. ( still need housekeeper to keep clean)

Selling at later date, sure. 
But than your property will be outdated, while new, more modern up to demand properties come on the market.
And don't forget your surrounding.
A noisy polluting industrial shop, or noisy bar next door coming up. 
Foreigners not like it, as in other countries there are strict rules to separate residential- and entertainment/industrial areas.

Well, don't calculate yourself rich with selling older properties on Phuket. 
There are to many for sale,..."with many millions discount for quick sale".

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swerv | 11 September 2016 - 11:29:39

Kurt: I am not talking about an individual renting a property for 30 years, that would be a pretty stupid thing to do. I am talking about a property available for rent over the next 30 years.
My own property will be rented out when i leave Phuket, then sell at a later date.
I have 35 years experience in the property market so i do know what i am talking about.
I am about to purchase at least 2 more properties to rent out as the return is much higher than the banks.

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swerv | 11 September 2016 - 11:24:10

Timothy: I stand corrected, i was using my own property as an example which should have been 30,000thb a month.
I also note your points however: my insurance is only 10,000thb a year and i have spent about 100,000thb in the last 9 years on maintenance which included complete redecoration.
When i eventually leave Phuket i will rent my house out which will give me a small income for the next 20 years before selling it. To me that is a good investment.

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Timothy | 11 September 2016 - 09:28:56

Hi Swerv, 20,000 per 12 months is 240,000. 240,000 X 30 years is 7.2 million not 10.8 million. I get your point, but you also forgot monthly maintenance, repairs, insurance, upkeep etc. 

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Joe12 | 10 September 2016 - 23:58:32

swerv...correct reasoning and analysis. That's the reason why I buy many. I also use statistics extensively when making investment decisions, which, to some commentators here are an anathema. 

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Kurt | 10 September 2016 - 16:44:11

Sorry swerv:  To many white lies in property land on Phuket.
We do understand you need to make a living out of it.

And: no one is renting a house on Phuket for 30 years. hahaha
And: Phuket has nothing in stock to bounce back. Ok, 10 years ago, yes, but now? Not anymore.
And: No house on Phuket increase in value over 30 years. No foreigner believes that.
Look on Phuket property sites: .."Great discount for quick sale".. and still for sale, not sold.
In Singapore, West Europe, yes, not on Phuket.

Surrounding countries are opening up, with even much more service minded immigration facilities.
Latest immigration rules about 90 day report with all giving them personal facts, not protected privacy, are also effecting Phuket property market.
Why? It simply not serve any purpose.

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swerv | 10 September 2016 - 15:39:47

Kurt: The Phuket real estate association  reported an increase in demand for the first 2 quarters of this year, on the 8th July, and expectations are for further demand in the second 2 quarters. Sales for the last quarter of this year and the first quarter of next year is expected to be in excess of 5bnthb.
And Christy: I have been involved in real estate in Phuket for many years and have seen everything from the 97 crash, SARS, Tsunami etc and every time the property market has dropped then recovered. Phuket is resilient and will always bounce back.
if you are renting a house for 20,000thb a month for 30 years that is 10.8m, when you could purchase the same house for about 7mthb which would increase in value over 30 years. I know what i would rather do...and have.

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Christy Sweet | 10 September 2016 - 12:43:50

I've never met any foreigner who has met their investment on a house and  several have  spent years trying to unload  them. Of course foreigners cannot own land, although many use a Co.,. Ltd that undermine this law with share manipulations, which is risking complete forfeiture.  I agree with Kurt, 30 year leases are worthless as investments, I've never understood why anyone would pay the same price as an outright purchase. Of course for years the bogus 30 year + 30 years + 30 years was allowed to be touted despite being completely a lie.  The only halfway safe and reliable investment is in condos, and you better make damn sure the company is reputable and the 49% foreigner only rule  is adhered to.

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Kurt | 10 September 2016 - 11:19:55

swerve: the slump in the Phuket property market is a permanent one.
No rebound expectations, with or without elections. 
Dreams and pep talks.

Quality of property building last few years on Phuket is such that properties not have a long life.
Hardly real solid quality building.

It is all, build as cheap as possible, make it looks nice, earn the big bucks and run away.

And yes, swerv, after 30 years a than still existing Phuket property looks runned down and is ready for demolition.
Look at these new 'villas' with singles on the roof. Is that quality? 
After 5 years already cracks in the walls.
At places were is no city water, houses have their own water well.
Nearby groundwater polluting activities are contaminating private wells of properties. A matter of time.
And so on.
Phuket infra structure is stone aged.
Slow internet, electric black outs, no sufficient public transport, no concert hall, unsafe roads, to many youngsters with weapons. Bombings now.
swerv, the good property market years on Phuket are over.
Time is changing, and not for the good of Phuket property market.
People just rent, stay if they like it or leave when they not like it here on Phuket.
That are facts, swerv.

Anyone who wants to sell his Phuket property loose money the last few years.
And leave the elections out of it, Thailand has a history of many elections/governments with now and than corrective governments in between, like this moment.
There is no significant link between Phuket property market and Thailands governments.

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